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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From http://www.une.edu.au/bcss/linguistics/nsm/semantics-in-brief.php

Table: Proposed semantic primes (2007)

Substantives:
I, YOU, SOMEONE, PEOPLE, SOMETHING/THING, BODY

Relational substantives:
KIND, PART

Determiners:
THIS, THE SAME, OTHER/ELSE

Quantifiers:
ONE, TWO, SOME, ALL, MUCH/MANY

Evaluators:
GOOD, BAD

Descriptors:
BIG, SMALL

Mental predicates:
THINK, KNOW, WANT, FEEL, SEE, HEAR

Speech:
SAY, WORDS, TRUE

Actions, events,
movement, contact:
DO, HAPPEN,
MOVE, TOUCH

Location, existence, possession, specification:
BE (SOMEWHERE),THERE IS, HAVE, BE (SOMEONE/SOMETHING)

Life and death:
LIVE, DIE

Time:
WHEN/TIME, NOW, BEFORE, AFTER, A LONG TIME, A SHORT TIME, FOR SOME TIME, MOMENT

Space:
WHERE/PLACE, HERE, ABOVE, BELOW, FAR, NEAR, SIDE, INSIDE

"Logical" concepts:
NOT, MAYBE, CAN, BECAUSE, IF

Intensifier, augmentor:
VERY, MORE

Similarity:
LIKE

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I very much like this one and translated it into ra cel:

Quote:
One bright day, late at night,
Two dead boys rose up to fight.
Back to back, they faced each other,
Drew their swords, and shot each other.
A deaf policeman heard the noise
And came and killed those two dead boys.
If you don't believe this lie is true
Just ask the blind man -- he saw it too.



A-day bright (1n1a), at-night late (2n1a)
Arise-PAST boy-pl. two dead (1n1a) fight-D
Show-PAST they face-pl. to-each other, back-at-back
Pull-PAST they sword-pl.-their-and shoot-PAST they each other
Hear-PAST a-policeman deaf (1n1a) noise and
Come-PAST-and-kill-PAST-D he boy-pl.-those two dead (2n1a)
Believe-COND-NEG you (that) be-CONT-noun true (2n1a) of-this-lie
Then inquire-IMP you to-man blind (2n1a) see-PAST he it also.


N-hn cisir i, t-lc a
Hlb bht-lan s nadhir i ragŷch
Mlel bth buirin t-tu-nan, wvi-t-wvi
Siandh bth halcn-sj-s besib bth tu-nan.
Ev n-bolismn jerdvir i clam-s
Sl-s-dgodch rwc bht-lan-i s nadhir a
Iavacagh gyn thli iamusagh fr a jw-ẅed-i
Da ncim thli t-bht sẁc a vres rwc dhẅ nanm.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
A-day bright (1n1a), at-night late (2n1a)
Arise-PAST boy-pl. two dead (1n1a) fight-D
Show-PAST they face-pl. to-each other, back-at-back
Pull-PAST they sword-pl.-their-and shoot-PAST they each other
Hear-PAST a-policeman deaf (1n1a) noise and
Come-PAST-and-kill-PAST-D he boy-pl.-those two dead (2n1a)
Believe-COND-NEG you (that) be-CONT-noun true (2n1a) of-this-lie
Then inquire-IMP you to-man blind (2n1a) see-PAST he it also.


N-hn cisir i, t-lc a
Hlb bht-lan s nadhir i ragŷch
Mlel bth buirin t-tu-nan, wvi-t-wvi
Siandh bth halcn-sj-s besib bth tu-nan.
Ev n-bolismn jerdvir i clam-s
Sl-s-dgodch rwc bht-lan-i s nadhir a
Iavacagh gyn thli iamusagh fr a jw-ẅed-i
Da ncim thli t-bht sẁc a vres rwc dhẅ nanm.
Great!
I laughed again upon reading it.
Is that romanization with diacritics you've used the actual script of Ra Cel, or do they have a native script -- that is, do you have a "con"-script or neography you'll eventually write this in?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a script for it, very similar to that of Tadvaradcel (which stole its writing from ra cel in the first place) and if you'd like I can write this out and post it later. (^_^)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some standup comic whom I'll have to credit when I can wrote:
If an argument starts with
"What did you mean by that?",
it's probably not going to end with
"Oh, so that's what you meant by that."

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My new unnamed conlang. Mix of a-priori and a-posteriori. Sorry if my explanations of the grammar are unclear.

The big tiger chased the little boys into the little house by the river because they had killed his cubs.
Osu evakşik ftuatsiai jis usiomulak jis peyakfasewo kawakufpu şiuhu itul totenai oli evakşietul.

Osu evakşi-k ftuatsi-ai jis u-siom-ul-ak jis pey-ak-fas-ewo kawa-k-ufpu şiuhu it-ul tot-en-ai ol-i evakşi-et-ul.
Big tiger-the chase-PST little ACC-boy-PL-the little house-the-in-towards river-the-by because he-PL dead-ify-PAST self-POSS tiger-baby-PL



As soon as the door opened, a mouse ran in. A black cat followed. The mouse climbed up the shocked ladys skirt. The cat did too. The woman gave the cat a beating.
Sielom munak openolai, ikijil hutşai ifasyukewo. Sutşa kt kvitai. Ikijilak ftmai tuijunoha şokuhi vuqaki ujup. Hqi ktak keqai. Vuqak hopojiai uktak.

Sielom mun-ak open-ol-ai, ikijil hutş-ai ifasyu-k-ewo. Sutşa kt kvit-ai. Ikijil-ak ftm-ai tui-jun-oha şok-uhi vuqa-k-i u-jup. Hqi kt-ak ke-qai. Vuqa-k hopoji-ai u-kt-ak.
As.soon.as door-the open-REFL-PAST, mouse run-PAST inside-the-towards. Black cat follow-PAST. Mouse-the climb-PAST up-wards-ADV shock-ed woman-the-POSS ACC-skirt Also cat-the do-PAST. Woman-the beat-PAST ACC-cat-the



My God, I love thee, not because I hope for heaven thereby, nor yet because who love Thee not must die eternally, but solely because thou art my God and my eternal king.
Tiosit jai, ja amei ulau, yoq şiulu ja toivuaqei upahatis ony, yoq jl şiulu ji ki ne amei ulau kiloi aluştu totsa, sqo yutoha şiulu lau tios jai va aluştu emono jai.

Tios-it ja-i, ja am-ei u-lau, yoq şiulu ja toivua-qei u-pahatis ony, yoq jl şiulu ji ki ne am-ei u-lau kil-oi aluştu totsa, sqo yut-oha şiulu lau tios ja-i va aluştu emono ja-i.
God-VOC I-POSS, I love-PRES ACC-you, neither because I hope-PRES ACC-heaven thus, nor even because one that NEG love-PRES acc-you must-FUT forever dead-become, but alone-ADV because you god I-POSS and forever king I-POSS



Inside a hall, when you look directly up the centre, you are able to see a hidden room. Move one step to any direction and it disappears.
Pintifas, ji kaneiso tivek tuijunoha mitakkuq, ji kei taq kakuşuhiai unun. Ji tsnaiso pa hatual ftam şttyuwo, ok vnişai.

Pinti-fas, ji kan-ei-so tivek tui-jun-oha mit-ak-kuq, ji k-ei taq kakuş-uhi-ai u-nun. Ji tsn-ai-so pa hatua-l ftam şttyu-wo, ok vniş-ai.
Hall-inside, one look-PRES-if precisely up-wards-ADV middle-the-on, one can-PRES see hide-PASSIVE-PAST ACC-room. One move-PAST-if one step-by.means.of any direction-towards, it vanish-PAST.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome! ようこそ! ^_^

I'd like to see a thread for your lang.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Welcome! ようこそ! ^_^

I'd like to see a thread for your lang.


Thanks. And yes, I will do when I can, I'm just not very good at explaining certain things so I am working out how to do so.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks interesting. Very Happy Give it your best shot; everyone here will gladly help you with anything you're not sure about. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

twix93 wrote:
My new unnamed conlang. Mix of a-priori and a-posteriori. Sorry if my explanations of the grammar are unclear.
I like it, and I want to see more. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucy Snyder, as a school girl, wrote the following poem about her pet tarantula:

Quote:
"I have a fuzzy spider;
I named him 'Mr. Squizzy'.
I lost him on the school bus;
He's not in your lunchbox, is he?"

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's adorable. Laughing Will attempt translation!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lesson / the moral could be "don't trust her, she likes to let her pet go for a walk on his own... or she likes to lose her pet on purpose..."
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Trade Consul Dirk Moeller did not know whether he could cause an interstellar diplomatic incident by farting; but he was ready to find out." -- from "The Android's Dream", by John Scalzi
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eldin raigmore wrote:
"Trade Consul Dirk Moeller did not know whether he could cause an interstellar diplomatic incident by farting; but he was ready to find out."


Casta marreis Dirk Moeller budec vil stin mea harsinis naĵar perdnis, n budensac.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When in danger, or in doubt,
Run in circles, scream, and shout.
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(Overheard in a crowded mall during end-of-year shopping)
Man is born free; yet everywhere he is in chain stores.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't sure if this should go here or under a song lyrics thread...but it could be a good challenge as a sort of long run-on sentence.

From Thats Your Horoscope for Today by Weird Al
Now you may find it inconceivable or at the very least a bit unlikely that the relative position of the planets and the stars could have a special deep significance or meaning that exclusively applies to only you but let me give you my assurance that these forecasts and predictions are all based on solid scientific documented evidence so you would have to be some kind of moron not to realize that every single one of them is absolutely true - where was I?

Ra cel: ime sgodh um i gyntlsoma dv bthc igha in yt sa thlia vj a jetir jw-scianm-s-thẅmn n-saghfẅa dv n-malluc hẅmir dulma cn nasu lych awe t-th, oli navtim faranmch l t-th scast-nagh, sa -vruiamusagn-s-gvymyn forrdh tere u-fran u hbuna un senegbuir ul tiracer ẅgh iaia thli dr-gn sa tnbgch gyn cn tere-sd lajẅ ia fr scwsm l?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curse that song! It just leads to conworld questions! (it was the reason why I asked the stereotypw question back at "Conreligions" ) Very Happy

But about translating it in the conlang... ouch, I should first translate it into Latvian, knowing, that it would make many many subordinate clauses, not to mention the intranslationabe expressions.
Just for the sake of it, I'll try it right here, beneath your eyes, because I know you might be interested in the way subordinate clauses are made in Latvian. I'll brake it into subordinate clauses just for the sake of comfort.

Latviski:

1. Tā, tev varētu ķist neiedomājami vai vismaz mazliet maz ticami,
2. ka planētu un zvaigņu relatīvajam novietojumam varētu būt kāda īpaa, dziļa nozīme vai jēga,
3. kas attiecas vienīgi uz tevi,
4. bet ļauj man tev apliecināt,
5. ka visas īs prognozes un pareģojumi ir pamatoti uz pamatīgiem, zinātniski dokumentētiem pierādījumiem,
6. tāpēc tev būtu jābūt kaut kādam muļķim,
7. lai neaptvertu,
8. ka pilnīgi ikkatra no tām ir absolūti precīza;
9. kur es paliku?

Original in Latvian sub-clauses Very Happy
1. Now you may find it inconceivable or at the very least a bit unlikely
2. that the relative position of the planets and the stars could have a special deep significance or meaning
3. that exclusively applies to only you
4. but let me give you my assurance
5. that these forecasts and predictions are all based on solid scientific documented evidence
6. so you would have to be some kind of moron
7. not to realize
8. that every single one of them is absolutely true -
9. where was I?

Oh, actually it's good for wordbuilding Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

achemel wrote:
There's a script for it, very similar to that of Tadvaradcel (which stole its writing from ra cel in the first place) and if you'd like I can write this out and post it later. (^_^)
Oh, yes! Very Happy

@twix93: More?

Aeetlrcreejl wrote:
eldin raigmore wrote:
"Trade Consul Dirk Moeller did not know whether he could cause an interstellar diplomatic incident by farting; but he was ready to find out."
Casta marreis Dirk Moeller budec vil stin mea harsinis naĵar perdnis, n budensac.
Excellent! Is that the native script, or do you have a conscript/neography/orthography for that conlang?

achemel wrote:
Ra cel: ime sgodh um i gyntlsoma dv bthc igha in yt sa thlia vj a jetir jw-scianm-s-thẅmn n-saghfẅa dv n-malluc hẅmir dulma cn nasu lych awe t-th, oli navtim faranmch l t-th scast-nagh, sa -vruiamusagn-s-gvymyn forrdh tere u-fran u hbuna un senegbuir ul tiracer ẅgh iaia thli dr-gn sa tnbgch gyn cn tere-sd lajẅ ia fr scwsm l?
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Kiri wrote:
Latviski:
1. Tā, tev varētu ķist neiedomājami vai vismaz mazliet maz ticami,
2. ka planētu un zvaigņu relatīvajam novietojumam varētu būt kāda īpaa, dziļa nozīme vai jēga,
3. kas attiecas vienīgi uz tevi,
4. bet ļauj man tev apliecināt,
5. ka visas īs prognozes un pareģojumi ir pamatoti uz pamatīgiem, zinātniski dokumentētiem pierādījumiem,
6. tāpēc tev būtu jābūt kaut kādam muļķim,
7. lai neaptvertu,
8. ka pilnīgi ikkatra no tām ir absolūti precīza;
9. kur es paliku?
Cool
Cool!
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